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11/17/2009 9:21:52 PM
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | I ONLY, rid the planet of those who themselves have ruined lives, and killed innocent people. |
"rid the planet" is just a slightly more glamerous way for you to try and hide the word "kill" or even "murder"
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Whitedragon1995: I understand what you're saying, but...does it REALLY take a genius to realize that blowing yourself up-becoming a marytr and taking innocent civilians with you is a bad thing? It's NOT a difficult decision. |
You would be suprised what people will do after being exploited at a young age and force fed lies for YEARS if you tell somebody something enough times, they will eventually believe it.
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | I ONLY, rid the planet of those who themselves have ruined lives, and killed innocent people. |
"rid the planet" is just a slightly more glamerous way for you to try and hide the word "kill" or even "murder"
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Whitedragon1995: I understand what you're saying, but...does it REALLY take a genius to realize that blowing yourself up-becoming a marytr and taking innocent civilians with you is a bad thing? It's NOT a difficult decision. |
You would be suprised what people will do after being exploited at a young age and force fed lies for YEARS if you tell somebody something enough times, they will eventually believe it.
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11/18/2009 4:22:03 PM
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Well ghostchild, that honestly depends. If I were using your own bs logic, then yes, I would seek to have thse people killed because they seek to have others killed. However, since I am using my own logic, I do not wish to cause them or you harm in any way, I wouldnt. I would never kill anyone, (unless my life was in danger).
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Well ghostchild, that honestly depends. If I were using your own bs logic, then yes, I would seek to have thse people killed because they seek to have others killed. However, since I am using my own logic, I do not wish to cause them or you harm in any way, I wouldnt. I would never kill anyone, (unless my life was in danger).
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11/18/2009 7:22:10 PM
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Insecto: I don't have the FEDS? What are you taking about?
This is what it boils down too: if you can't do the time, DON'T do the crime.
Oh whatever! Poor coward can't face death like he put someone else through.
If you think that being subjected to death when YOU DESERVE IT is bad, then consider how it works elsewhere: excecution for being gay. Yes it does happen. Which is more unfair?
What I find appaling between you two is how you can let someone's life become ruined, you can allow someone to die, etc, and you won't do anything useful about it. (Whoa, a 25 year-life sentence, that'll teach them.)
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Insecto: I don't have the FEDS? What are you taking about?
This is what it boils down too: if you can't do the time, DON'T do the crime.
Oh whatever! Poor coward can't face death like he put someone else through.
If you think that being subjected to death when YOU DESERVE IT is bad, then consider how it works elsewhere: excecution for being gay. Yes it does happen. Which is more unfair?
What I find appaling between you two is how you can let someone's life become ruined, you can allow someone to die, etc, and you won't do anything useful about it. (Whoa, a 25 year-life sentence, that'll teach them.)
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11/18/2009 9:28:30 PM
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | This is what it boils down too: if you can't do the time, DON'T do the crime. |
Yes, because DEATH is obviously a measurment of time >_> -facepalm-
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | What I find appaling between you two is how you can let someone's life become ruined, you can allow someone to die, etc, and you won't do anything useful about it. (Whoa, a 25 year-life sentence, that'll teach them.) |
How does killing a criminal fix somebody's life? Please elaborate for us. And think about it...THE REST OF THEIR FLIPPING LIFE! Do you know how long that could be!?! All that time to think about what they have done! And after all that, they DIE in prison! Tell me where you find this to be a weak punishment?
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | This is what it boils down too: if you can't do the time, DON'T do the crime. |
Yes, because DEATH is obviously a measurment of time >_> -facepalm-
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How does killing a criminal fix somebody's life? Please elaborate for us. And think about it...THE REST OF THEIR FLIPPING LIFE! Do you know how long that could be!?! All that time to think about what they have done! And after all that, they DIE in prison! Tell me where you find this to be a weak punishment?
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11/18/2009 9:30:48 PM
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"The only method used in Canada for capital punishment in nonmilitary contexts was hanging. Before Canada eliminated the death penalty for murder on July 14, 1976, 1,481 people were sentenced to death, with 710 executed. Of those executed, 697 were men and 13 were women. The last execution in Canada was on December 11, 1962."
Your so sad. You just keep on spouting the exact same thing and hoping each time it will work. Also how is bringing up the fact that some gays are excecuted have anything to do with this topic? Yes it is unfair.
Trying to correct something as oppsed to doing NOTHING about it is not just letting the situation go unnoticed. Once we have the killer in custody, we try and figure them out, once we do, we can correct them and try and stop other killers from emerging. Something you plan to simply NOTHING about.
Now ghostchild. WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO TO STOP KILLERS FROM EMERGING(since you can only communicate throught capital letters). Aside from the classic nothing you seem to be advocating. Also 25-life would teach them, hopefully in that time they could see that what they did was wrong. Ofcourse captial punishment wont do that. I have NEVER seen anything from any of your posts, that works to corect the problem. And yes, problems can be corected, I know that unheard-of to most young republicans like you. Mods please post
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"The only method used in Canada for capital punishment in nonmilitary contexts was hanging. Before Canada eliminated the death penalty for murder on July 14, 1976, 1,481 people were sentenced to death, with 710 executed. Of those executed, 697 were men and 13 were women. The last execution in Canada was on December 11, 1962."
Your so sad. You just keep on spouting the exact same thing and hoping each time it will work. Also how is bringing up the fact that some gays are excecuted have anything to do with this topic? Yes it is unfair.
Trying to correct something as oppsed to doing NOTHING about it is not just letting the situation go unnoticed. Once we have the killer in custody, we try and figure them out, once we do, we can correct them and try and stop other killers from emerging. Something you plan to simply NOTHING about.
Now ghostchild. WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO TO STOP KILLERS FROM EMERGING(since you can only communicate throught capital letters). Aside from the classic nothing you seem to be advocating. Also 25-life would teach them, hopefully in that time they could see that what they did was wrong. Ofcourse captial punishment wont do that. I have NEVER seen anything from any of your posts, that works to corect the problem. And yes, problems can be corected, I know that unheard-of to most young republicans like you. Mods please post
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11/19/2009 6:11:28 PM
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It depends on the kind of criminal. The worst punishment you can give a guy with a family, and something to live for, is keeping him in a prison and away from his family. But to keep a crazy homocidal sociopathic maniac alive, I really don't think it affects those kind of people. But still, I don't think we have the right to decide when somebody else dies. I actually have split opinions about capital punishment...
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It depends on the kind of criminal. The worst punishment you can give a guy with a family, and something to live for, is keeping him in a prison and away from his family. But to keep a crazy homocidal sociopathic maniac alive, I really don't think it affects those kind of people. But still, I don't think we have the right to decide when somebody else dies. I actually have split opinions about capital punishment...
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11/19/2009 8:27:25 PM
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personally, i think that a worse sentence for someone is to be in prison for the rest of their lives. There was a case i heard of recently where the man actually asked to be sentenced to death, because he didn't want to be locked up.
for a lot of criminals, living isn't really high on their priority list. therefore, keep em here, make em suffer, and stop having all these luxuries in the prisons. keep em locked up in a room with nothing to do for the rest of their sentence.
now, unfortunately, keeping them locked up is way more costly on the taxpayers than simply killing them. but i think if we make prison so much more basic it would help make it cheaper.
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personally, i think that a worse sentence for someone is to be in prison for the rest of their lives. There was a case i heard of recently where the man actually asked to be sentenced to death, because he didn't want to be locked up.
for a lot of criminals, living isn't really high on their priority list. therefore, keep em here, make em suffer, and stop having all these luxuries in the prisons. keep em locked up in a room with nothing to do for the rest of their sentence.
now, unfortunately, keeping them locked up is way more costly on the taxpayers than simply killing them. but i think if we make prison so much more basic it would help make it cheaper.
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11/20/2009 6:28:27 PM
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GGRRR! I'am making this as broad as I can, and it's STILL not getting through!
Insecto: I'm all for lethal injection: quick and painless. That humane for you?
How is FIXING THEM going to PREVENT OTHERS FROM KILLING? Please, do explain that too me.
You know how to prevent other killers from emerging? ou look for signs that something in their life is wrong. And you combat it before they kill someone.
You think cracking up a persons mind and telling them that killing is wrong, and them listening is easy? Especially when they've ALREADY DONE IT.
You act as if the human brain is as simple as breathing.
I'am Republican? Oh! So that's why I wanted McCain and Plain to win in 2008, that's why I'am all for cilvilian firearm use, why I think Bush and Cheney are fantastic leaders, and WHY I'am always claiming I'm a REPUBLICAN!
So, because I always would vote for a Democrat that means I'm Conservative? Why I ALWAYS say that I'm not Republican makes me a Republican, etc.
JUST BECAUSE I AGREE WITH ONE THING THAT REPUBLICANS DO, DOES NOT MAKE ME A REPUBLICAN!
I'am one second from clawing my eyes out.
Whitedragon1995: That quote is a basic as it get's when it comes to crime and prison sentences, don't you think?
It does. Because the criminal who robbed someones life is facing death, those family members and friends might consider death a sign of justice. And peace.
Why should they get life-long health care? Food? Free time? Etc? When killing them is more reasonable?
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GGRRR! I'am making this as broad as I can, and it's STILL not getting through!
Insecto: I'm all for lethal injection: quick and painless. That humane for you?
How is FIXING THEM going to PREVENT OTHERS FROM KILLING? Please, do explain that too me.
You know how to prevent other killers from emerging? ou look for signs that something in their life is wrong. And you combat it before they kill someone.
You think cracking up a persons mind and telling them that killing is wrong, and them listening is easy? Especially when they've ALREADY DONE IT.
You act as if the human brain is as simple as breathing.
I'am Republican? Oh! So that's why I wanted McCain and Plain to win in 2008, that's why I'am all for cilvilian firearm use, why I think Bush and Cheney are fantastic leaders, and WHY I'am always claiming I'm a REPUBLICAN!
So, because I always would vote for a Democrat that means I'm Conservative? Why I ALWAYS say that I'm not Republican makes me a Republican, etc.
JUST BECAUSE I AGREE WITH ONE THING THAT REPUBLICANS DO, DOES NOT MAKE ME A REPUBLICAN!
I'am one second from clawing my eyes out.
Whitedragon1995: That quote is a basic as it get's when it comes to crime and prison sentences, don't you think?
It does. Because the criminal who robbed someones life is facing death, those family members and friends might consider death a sign of justice. And peace.
Why should they get life-long health care? Food? Free time? Etc? When killing them is more reasonable?
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11/20/2009 8:04:08 PM
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ghost-You have been saying so much about how you hate these people, yet when its more convient for an arugement you are mrs.humanity? I think thats amusing.
Sure I'll explain it. Once we have the criminal in custady, we can figure them out why they do this. When we do this we can figure out how to correct them. Once we do that we are able to figure out killing patterns, which will make them easier to find. Then we can catch them, correct them, so they can see what they have done is wrong, and they can look back upon what they did with regret, and then the can spend the rest of their life in prison.
Watching forensic shows are we?
So because we havent done it yet, and because its hard, we should attempt it? Thats horrible thinking. Just because its hard, doesnt mean it shouldnt be attempted, just because its difficult, it should be ignored. The world is full of challenges, that doesnt mean we shouldnt be up to them.mods please post
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ghost-You have been saying so much about how you hate these people, yet when its more convient for an arugement you are mrs.humanity? I think thats amusing.
Sure I'll explain it. Once we have the criminal in custady, we can figure them out why they do this. When we do this we can figure out how to correct them. Once we do that we are able to figure out killing patterns, which will make them easier to find. Then we can catch them, correct them, so they can see what they have done is wrong, and they can look back upon what they did with regret, and then the can spend the rest of their life in prison.
Watching forensic shows are we?
So because we havent done it yet, and because its hard, we should attempt it? Thats horrible thinking. Just because its hard, doesnt mean it shouldnt be attempted, just because its difficult, it should be ignored. The world is full of challenges, that doesnt mean we shouldnt be up to them.mods please post
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11/21/2009 2:07:47 PM
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Insecto: I'm all for lethal injection: quick and painless. That humane for you? |
burning from the inside out from being injected with lethal poisons from the government...sounds about as humane as lighting 'em on fire >_>
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | How is FIXING THEM going to PREVENT OTHERS FROM KILLING? Please, do explain that too me. |
By fixing them we learn how they think, what sets them off, what makes em tick. With this knowledge we can spot potential killers before they start killing people.
| QUOTE (Mr.Republican) | | I'am Republican? Oh! So that's why I wanted McCain and Plain to win in 2008, that's why I'am all for cilvilian firearm use, why I think Bush and Cheney are fantastic leaders, and WHY I'am always claiming I'm a REPUBLICAN! |
Uhhh...well, yeah. Thats kind of what a republican is 
and in case you haven't yet noticed, insecto is only saying that to get on your nerves so that he can back up his claim that you post in caps way too much.
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Insecto: I'm all for lethal injection: quick and painless. That humane for you? |
burning from the inside out from being injected with lethal poisons from the government...sounds about as humane as lighting 'em on fire >_>
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | How is FIXING THEM going to PREVENT OTHERS FROM KILLING? Please, do explain that too me. |
By fixing them we learn how they think, what sets them off, what makes em tick. With this knowledge we can spot potential killers before they start killing people.
| QUOTE (Mr.Republican) | | I'am Republican? Oh! So that's why I wanted McCain and Plain to win in 2008, that's why I'am all for cilvilian firearm use, why I think Bush and Cheney are fantastic leaders, and WHY I'am always claiming I'm a REPUBLICAN! |
Uhhh...well, yeah. Thats kind of what a republican is
and in case you haven't yet noticed, insecto is only saying that to get on your nerves so that he can back up his claim that you post in caps way too much.
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11/21/2009 2:09:28 PM
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Whitedragon1995: That quote is a basic as it get's when it comes to crime and prison sentences, don't you think? |
Time is not equal nor equivilant to death, plain and simple.
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | It does. Because the criminal who robbed someones life is facing death, those family members and friends might consider death a sign of justice. And peace. |
Thats one sick family.
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Why should they get life-long health care? Food? Free time? Etc? When killing them is more reasonable? |
Because without health care and food we cannot keep them alive to phycologically torture them some more in their concrete box (does that sound bloodthirsty and evil enough for you?) and free time to do what? Think about how terrible their life now is and go through what they did in their head and try and reason out why they ended a life and that it was a very bad decision that will now cost them THEIR ENTIRE LIFE of phycological torture. You act as if we give them a king sized down feather bed, video games, lobster dinners, television, and internet access when in reality it's far from that.
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Whitedragon1995: That quote is a basic as it get's when it comes to crime and prison sentences, don't you think? |
Time is not equal nor equivilant to death, plain and simple.
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | It does. Because the criminal who robbed someones life is facing death, those family members and friends might consider death a sign of justice. And peace. |
Thats one sick family.
| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Why should they get life-long health care? Food? Free time? Etc? When killing them is more reasonable? |
Because without health care and food we cannot keep them alive to phycologically torture them some more in their concrete box (does that sound bloodthirsty and evil enough for you?) and free time to do what? Think about how terrible their life now is and go through what they did in their head and try and reason out why they ended a life and that it was a very bad decision that will now cost them THEIR ENTIRE LIFE of phycological torture. You act as if we give them a king sized down feather bed, video games, lobster dinners, television, and internet access when in reality it's far from that.
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11/23/2009 7:01:35 PM
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| QUOTE | | king sized down feather bed, video games, lobster dinners, television, and internet access when in reality it's far from that. |
ya about that...
take everything away from them. enough food and water to keep em alive and thats it.
i do however do not agree with life in prison for 1 crime. i believe people who go through that can and will change.
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| QUOTE | | king sized down feather bed, video games, lobster dinners, television, and internet access when in reality it's far from that. |
ya about that...
take everything away from them. enough food and water to keep em alive and thats it.
i do however do not agree with life in prison for 1 crime. i believe people who go through that can and will change.
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12/16/2009 7:39:40 PM
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So I am bumping this topic as a responce to ghostchilds recent post, in the abortion topic which I am trying to get out of.
Now you admitted that some killers arent aware of what they are doing in full intelligence, yet you still want to kill them. Also in isnt a question of whether the person is competent enough, its a question of whether their sane enough. Yes the damage is done, but there is no reason to do more damage.
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So I am bumping this topic as a responce to ghostchilds recent post, in the abortion topic which I am trying to get out of.
Now you admitted that some killers arent aware of what they are doing in full intelligence, yet you still want to kill them. Also in isnt a question of whether the person is competent enough, its a question of whether their sane enough. Yes the damage is done, but there is no reason to do more damage.
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12/17/2009 6:50:08 PM
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Insecto: If a person is insane, so therefore not competant enough to understand what they're doing when commit an act like murder, I would not push for death. I would send them to physciatric ward or jail, but not death.
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Insecto: If a person is insane, so therefore not competant enough to understand what they're doing when commit an act like murder, I would not push for death. I would send them to physciatric ward or jail, but not death.
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12/17/2009 6:51:33 PM
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Whoops, forgot to add: sending a person to death isn't doing more damage, it's justice for the family and friends of the victim(s). They need closure. This is how they might want to get it.
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Whoops, forgot to add: sending a person to death isn't doing more damage, it's justice for the family and friends of the victim(s). They need closure. This is how they might want to get it.
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1/2/2010 1:32:46 AM
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Well I personally believe that it is not right to have someone being kept alive with tax payers money in jail to feed them, provide a roof for them. So in reality, people pay for what criminals have done so I would have to say that Capital Punishment should be more widely adopted.
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Well I personally believe that it is not right to have someone being kept alive with tax payers money in jail to feed them, provide a roof for them. So in reality, people pay for what criminals have done so I would have to say that Capital Punishment should be more widely adopted.
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1/7/2010 3:54:49 PM
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Yah I mean why should we hsow compasion for them, I mean its not like their human or anything.
Studies have shown that countries that dont have death penelaty and replace it with phyciatric prisons have less murder, while countries that inbrace this ideal, seem to have more murders.
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Yah I mean why should we hsow compasion for them, I mean its not like their human or anything.
Studies have shown that countries that dont have death penelaty and replace it with phyciatric prisons have less murder, while countries that inbrace this ideal, seem to have more murders.
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1/7/2010 6:36:29 PM
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I belive the judgement should be left for God. He decides who dies and who doesnt because he is the one who gave us life.
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I belive the judgement should be left for God. He decides who dies and who doesnt because he is the one who gave us life.
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1/8/2010 6:09:37 PM
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Yah, I'm not even going to bother to explain myself to Jedu_10. Because if I had to, I'd go insane.
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Yah, I'm not even going to bother to explain myself to Jedu_10. Because if I had to, I'd go insane.
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1/10/2010 9:08:28 PM
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Yah, I'm not even going to bother to explain myself to Jedu_10. Because if I had to, I'd go insane. |
What's to explain? It's his opinion right?
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| QUOTE (Ghostchild) | | Yah, I'm not even going to bother to explain myself to Jedu_10. Because if I had to, I'd go insane. |
What's to explain? It's his opinion right?
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