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9/10/2009 10:06:27 PM
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I was reading this and I just remembered something... Saddam Hussein. I remember the day he was executed. I remember me and my friend herd it was on the news. I thought it was just a rumor but I actually found a video (Never showed his execution but was showing him moments before). This video had news headings on the bottom of it thus proving that the people on the news channel thought this would get good ratings.
People are just horrible and that is proof of it. We don't kill killers to protect ourselves, we kill them for our own pleasure!
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I was reading this and I just remembered something... Saddam Hussein. I remember the day he was executed. I remember me and my friend herd it was on the news. I thought it was just a rumor but I actually found a video (Never showed his execution but was showing him moments before). This video had news headings on the bottom of it thus proving that the people on the news channel thought this would get good ratings.
People are just horrible and that is proof of it. We don't kill killers to protect ourselves, we kill them for our own pleasure!
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9/10/2009 10:15:33 PM
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If we were to stick them into a mental instituation, then bserve them, learn about them, then there would be a way to cure them, even if they were incredibly insane.
However, many of the cases where people have commited heinous crimes against humanity willingly and from their own will have been mentally traumatized or are convinced that their extreme methods are truely correct. There is little we can gain. I'm not talking about the criminally insane, but the sane and just not thinking straight.
Hitler created a genocide, because he was mentally unstable.
1) Goodwin's law. Avoid using Hitler as an example
2) There is no true claim as to what has caused his rampage against the rest of humanity. Most people claim that it was the fact that the German government, during the Treaty of Versailles, was signed by a Jewish representative was what caused Hitler to become less than impartial to the Jewish population.
If we could learn what made him and other people like him tick, then we can fiugre how to catch them and what drug to perscribe to them, or whatever.
What these people need is not drugs, but therapy.
The government should not have any right to kill people. If the government was allowed to kill killers, then whos next? First kilers, then how soon before any crime breakers?
That's why democracy exists. Such a change to the constitution requires an overwhelming majorty (66% or more) to get passed. So, unless two or more parties agree to rewriting the law to change the section that I suggest would imply "in all but the worst cases" and turn it into "any old lawbraker" OR we have a government overhaul, that cannot occur.
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If we were to stick them into a mental instituation, then bserve them, learn about them, then there would be a way to cure them, even if they were incredibly insane.
However, many of the cases where people have commited heinous crimes against humanity willingly and from their own will have been mentally traumatized or are convinced that their extreme methods are truely correct. There is little we can gain. I'm not talking about the criminally insane, but the sane and just not thinking straight.
Hitler created a genocide, because he was mentally unstable.
1) Goodwin's law. Avoid using Hitler as an example
2) There is no true claim as to what has caused his rampage against the rest of humanity. Most people claim that it was the fact that the German government, during the Treaty of Versailles, was signed by a Jewish representative was what caused Hitler to become less than impartial to the Jewish population.
If we could learn what made him and other people like him tick, then we can fiugre how to catch them and what drug to perscribe to them, or whatever.
What these people need is not drugs, but therapy.
The government should not have any right to kill people. If the government was allowed to kill killers, then whos next? First kilers, then how soon before any crime breakers?
That's why democracy exists. Such a change to the constitution requires an overwhelming majorty (66% or more) to get passed. So, unless two or more parties agree to rewriting the law to change the section that I suggest would imply "in all but the worst cases" and turn it into "any old lawbraker" OR we have a government overhaul, that cannot occur.
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9/11/2009 6:17:49 PM
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| QUOTE (kirant) | The government should not have any right to kill people. If the government was allowed to kill killers, then whos next? First kilers, then how soon before any crime breakers?
That's why democracy exists. Such a change to the constitution requires an overwhelming majorty (66% or more) to get passed. So, unless two or more parties agree to rewriting the law to change the section that I suggest would imply "in all but the worst cases" and turn it into "any old lawbraker" OR we have a government overhaul, that cannot occur. |
Its a slippery slope argument. You see it all the time in politics and religion (the two *forbidden* subjects).
But either way, I don't think there are any exceptions: people should not kill others as punishment regardless of what they have done. Killing is wrong and to kill a killer makes you just as bad.
HOWEVER, if a killer is about to kill you, then I find self-defense a perfectly okay option. Please note that execution is not self-defense, as it is a public display of death for the satisfaction of bloodthirsty families trying to overcome a loss. Truthfully, a really humane person would forgive the actions of another, or at least realize that two wrongs do not make a right.
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That's why democracy exists. Such a change to the constitution requires an overwhelming majorty (66% or more) to get passed. So, unless two or more parties agree to rewriting the law to change the section that I suggest would imply "in all but the worst cases" and turn it into "any old lawbraker" OR we have a government overhaul, that cannot occur. |
Its a slippery slope argument. You see it all the time in politics and religion (the two *forbidden* subjects).
But either way, I don't think there are any exceptions: people should not kill others as punishment regardless of what they have done. Killing is wrong and to kill a killer makes you just as bad.
HOWEVER, if a killer is about to kill you, then I find self-defense a perfectly okay option. Please note that execution is not self-defense, as it is a public display of death for the satisfaction of bloodthirsty families trying to overcome a loss. Truthfully, a really humane person would forgive the actions of another, or at least realize that two wrongs do not make a right.
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9/11/2009 7:26:34 PM
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Hello mr_pwned I mean doomed, welcome to your nightmare. I shall be owning you for the next couple minutes.
| QUOTE (mrdoomed) | | People are just horrible and that is proof of it. We don't kill killers to protect ourselves, we kill them for our own pleasure! |
Dude, are you serious? That is just sick. You are telling me that you seek to have these people killed, not for some deluded attempt at justice, like ghostchild or kirant, but instead for pleasure? You sir, are an antihuman. If you are serious, which I doubt you can be, you yourself should be locked away. That arguement can never win you a debate. You know what mr_doomed, do me a favour. Read my post and just try and respond. I shouldnt be responding to you, ghostchild and kirant are good arguement makers and your arguement is sad.
kirant, your next.
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Hello mr_pwned I mean doomed, welcome to your nightmare. I shall be owning you for the next couple minutes.
| QUOTE (mrdoomed) | | People are just horrible and that is proof of it. We don't kill killers to protect ourselves, we kill them for our own pleasure! |
Dude, are you serious? That is just sick. You are telling me that you seek to have these people killed, not for some deluded attempt at justice, like ghostchild or kirant, but instead for pleasure? You sir, are an antihuman. If you are serious, which I doubt you can be, you yourself should be locked away. That arguement can never win you a debate. You know what mr_doomed, do me a favour. Read my post and just try and respond. I shouldnt be responding to you, ghostchild and kirant are good arguement makers and your arguement is sad.
kirant, your next.
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9/11/2009 7:30:24 PM
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Mr_Doomed: I feel the same way. The only purpose that the death penalty serves is vindication, unless you're going to use the economic argument, which I suppose is true but one of the most disgusting arguments I've ever heard for anything. We shouldn't measure human lives in dollars.
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Mr_Doomed: I feel the same way. The only purpose that the death penalty serves is vindication, unless you're going to use the economic argument, which I suppose is true but one of the most disgusting arguments I've ever heard for anything. We shouldn't measure human lives in dollars.
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9/11/2009 8:08:12 PM
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*facepalm Insecto* He was making a commentary about society, not himself. :P
I once wrote a short story about a boy who plays lots of violent video games... he comes home from school one day to find his mother murdered, he touches the knife and gets blood over himself and the such, and he gets accused and convicted of the crime with everyone condemning the violence in video games. Then it ends with everyone sitting and watching his execution from the viewing window.
Yeah, that was my grade 7 political statement. xD
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*facepalm Insecto* He was making a commentary about society, not himself. :P
I once wrote a short story about a boy who plays lots of violent video games... he comes home from school one day to find his mother murdered, he touches the knife and gets blood over himself and the such, and he gets accused and convicted of the crime with everyone condemning the violence in video games. Then it ends with everyone sitting and watching his execution from the viewing window.
Yeah, that was my grade 7 political statement. xD
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9/11/2009 8:25:08 PM
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Insecto- Ok I will argue my way out of this. You see, you got the wrong message when you read that post. When I said "We" I was talking about the people who supported the death of Saddam, not me. I didn't support at all. As a matter of fact, if you looked at my previous posts you would see that I don't support it at all.
Hope that argument was good enough for you. Sorry for the mixed message there.
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Insecto- Ok I will argue my way out of this. You see, you got the wrong message when you read that post. When I said "We" I was talking about the people who supported the death of Saddam, not me. I didn't support at all. As a matter of fact, if you looked at my previous posts you would see that I don't support it at all.
Hope that argument was good enough for you. Sorry for the mixed message there.
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9/11/2009 8:38:09 PM
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| QUOTE (mrdoomed) | Insecto- Ok I will argue my way out of this. You see, you got the wrong message when you read that post. When I said "We" I was talking about the people who supported the death of Saddam, not me. I didn't support at all. As a matter of fact, if you looked at my previous posts you would see that I don't support it at all.
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Oh, Im sorry, I misunderstood.
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| QUOTE (mrdoomed) | Insecto- Ok I will argue my way out of this. You see, you got the wrong message when you read that post. When I said "We" I was talking about the people who supported the death of Saddam, not me. I didn't support at all. As a matter of fact, if you looked at my previous posts you would see that I don't support it at all.
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Oh, Im sorry, I misunderstood.
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9/11/2009 9:32:20 PM
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It's ok, we all make mistakes. I can understand where you might be confused about it.
Mushroom- Wow that story sound disturbing but also kinda good. Lol grade 7 political statement.
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It's ok, we all make mistakes. I can understand where you might be confused about it.
Mushroom- Wow that story sound disturbing but also kinda good. Lol grade 7 political statement.
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9/14/2009 8:37:03 PM
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| QUOTE (kirant) | | Goodwin's law. Avoid using Hitler as an example |
I am not familiar with that law.
| QUOTE (kirant) | | What these people need is not drugs, but therapy. |
Not that I sadi or whatever. Besides if theerapy could cure them, then why would you want them to be killed.
No one person should have the right to kill. But let me ask you something kirant, do you believe that every person who killed many people should die? If so they would be killed by the government, right? So why do you believe that so strongly that no one should have this right and yet the governmenmt should?
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| QUOTE (kirant) | | Goodwin's law. Avoid using Hitler as an example |
I am not familiar with that law.
| QUOTE (kirant) | | What these people need is not drugs, but therapy. |
Not that I sadi or whatever. Besides if theerapy could cure them, then why would you want them to be killed.
No one person should have the right to kill. But let me ask you something kirant, do you believe that every person who killed many people should die? If so they would be killed by the government, right? So why do you believe that so strongly that no one should have this right and yet the governmenmt should?
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9/18/2009 10:13:10 PM
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Mushy- That's scary. Seriously. You've scared me now. o_o
Let me rephrase my thoughts.
Capital Punishment is still something I can't exactly grasp.
It all balances on the fine line of human nature.
- It is wrong, wrong, wrong to commit murder. In any way.
- What is murder? Taking the life of someone else. Killing them.
- Isn't it murder? Just deciding that we don't want a certain person to exist on this world, to live, anymore, them having no say in the matter? It isn't right to hold someone's very life. Not right at all.
- We tread a very thin line, if any at all, in being the same as murderers.
- There are several reasons why some might consider Capital Punishment. Firstly, to protect yourself, or a society. Say you came face-to-face with a murderer, who wanted to kill you. Would you attempt to kill them, then?
I could get much more in-depth, but I've got to got off the computer. :P
Personally, if I knew there was someone out there who wanted to kill me, I truly wouldn't feel safe until they were dead.
But I disagree with Capital Punishment. I think. : /
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Mushy- That's scary. Seriously. You've scared me now. o_o
Let me rephrase my thoughts.
Capital Punishment is still something I can't exactly grasp.
It all balances on the fine line of human nature.
- It is wrong, wrong, wrong to commit murder. In any way.
- What is murder? Taking the life of someone else. Killing them.
- Isn't it murder? Just deciding that we don't want a certain person to exist on this world, to live, anymore, them having no say in the matter? It isn't right to hold someone's very life. Not right at all.
- We tread a very thin line, if any at all, in being the same as murderers.
- There are several reasons why some might consider Capital Punishment. Firstly, to protect yourself, or a society. Say you came face-to-face with a murderer, who wanted to kill you. Would you attempt to kill them, then?
I could get much more in-depth, but I've got to got off the computer. :P
Personally, if I knew there was someone out there who wanted to kill me, I truly wouldn't feel safe until they were dead.
But I disagree with Capital Punishment. I think. : /
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9/19/2009 10:52:16 PM
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does it bother any of you
that this poll is about world issues
and your alltalking about bloody
deaths which is much of an issue?
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does it bother any of you
that this poll is about world issues
and your alltalking about bloody
deaths which is much of an issue?
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9/21/2009 11:43:25 PM
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Sorry for being gone so long
Killing is wrong and to kill a killer makes you just as bad.
However, wasting tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars on keeping a guy who's never going to get out of jail ever just for the sentimentality of keeping him alive is perfectly alright?
I am not familiar with that law.
Goodwin's law states that as the limit of a discussion legnth reaches infinite, the probability of the use of Hitler approaches 1. In the same arguement, it is stated that whoever brings up Hitler will lose the debate.
But let me ask you something kirant, do you believe that every person who killed many people should die?
No. Those who have no chance of being reconstructed into a productive member of society do, however.
If so they would be killed by the government, right?
Of course. I want the federal jury to decide whether or not a death sentence is fair punishment for the accused, if it is found that he or she is guilty, has commited a terrible crime, and is unable to be productive to society if he or she was ever to be released from jail.
So why do you believe that so strongly that no one should have this right and yet the governmenmt should?
Because the government is to represent the well being of the people in the method deemed best. As of right now, that is a democracy. If it is in the people's best interest to have a person removed from existance, with the backing of a court decision, then I believe that it is in the best interest of the country, as the role of a judge and jury is to best determine the verdict of the case and the punishment of the accused, if he or she is guilty.
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Sorry for being gone so long
Killing is wrong and to kill a killer makes you just as bad.
However, wasting tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars on keeping a guy who's never going to get out of jail ever just for the sentimentality of keeping him alive is perfectly alright?
I am not familiar with that law.
Goodwin's law states that as the limit of a discussion legnth reaches infinite, the probability of the use of Hitler approaches 1. In the same arguement, it is stated that whoever brings up Hitler will lose the debate.
But let me ask you something kirant, do you believe that every person who killed many people should die?
No. Those who have no chance of being reconstructed into a productive member of society do, however.
If so they would be killed by the government, right?
Of course. I want the federal jury to decide whether or not a death sentence is fair punishment for the accused, if it is found that he or she is guilty, has commited a terrible crime, and is unable to be productive to society if he or she was ever to be released from jail.
So why do you believe that so strongly that no one should have this right and yet the governmenmt should?
Because the government is to represent the well being of the people in the method deemed best. As of right now, that is a democracy. If it is in the people's best interest to have a person removed from existance, with the backing of a court decision, then I believe that it is in the best interest of the country, as the role of a judge and jury is to best determine the verdict of the case and the punishment of the accused, if he or she is guilty.
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9/22/2009 8:29:26 PM
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I laugh at the people here trying to put a price on a human life and trying to justify capital punishment by basically saying "this pile of fancy paper is better than this human being"
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I laugh at the people here trying to put a price on a human life and trying to justify capital punishment by basically saying "this pile of fancy paper is better than this human being"
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9/22/2009 9:27:29 PM
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Is it morally right to kill someone in any situation? Maybe self defence but I think that is the only time. Like killing a person for murder is going to stop other murders from murdering. That isn't how they think.
Kirant- You are putting a price on somebody? That's just wrong.
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Is it morally right to kill someone in any situation? Maybe self defence but I think that is the only time. Like killing a person for murder is going to stop other murders from murdering. That isn't how they think.
Kirant- You are putting a price on somebody? That's just wrong.
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9/23/2009 6:46:50 PM
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You are putting a price on somebody? That's just wrong.
There is a cost to society and a benefit to society for everything. Everything has a sale point, where it becomes beneficial to society to exchange something for the good of humanity. I believe that there is a point where it becomes better for humanity to terminate one's life than keep them in jail permanently, making life better for everybody, where all this is judged by a jury.
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You are putting a price on somebody? That's just wrong.
There is a cost to society and a benefit to society for everything. Everything has a sale point, where it becomes beneficial to society to exchange something for the good of humanity. I believe that there is a point where it becomes better for humanity to terminate one's life than keep them in jail permanently, making life better for everybody, where all this is judged by a jury.
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9/23/2009 8:19:50 PM
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Mr_Doomed: You should only be able to kill someone if it's in self defense? What about killing someone to protect society, protect the nation, PROTECT THE PLANET?
No, it won't prevent other murderers from killing, but we get rid of who we can for justice, and the safety of others.
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Mr_Doomed: You should only be able to kill someone if it's in self defense? What about killing someone to protect society, protect the nation, PROTECT THE PLANET?
No, it won't prevent other murderers from killing, but we get rid of who we can for justice, and the safety of others.
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9/23/2009 8:25:03 PM
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Kirant- But look at some of the things that the government spends their money on anyways. Some of it is completely pointless. Like when Harper appointed 18 new senate members in one day right before the recession. You know that once you are a senator you are one for life and get a huge pay.
I was kinda off topic there but it is a perfect example of how we wastefully spend our money anyways.
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Kirant- But look at some of the things that the government spends their money on anyways. Some of it is completely pointless. Like when Harper appointed 18 new senate members in one day right before the recession. You know that once you are a senator you are one for life and get a huge pay.
I was kinda off topic there but it is a perfect example of how we wastefully spend our money anyways.
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9/24/2009 6:56:05 PM
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| QUOTE (ghostchild) | | You should only be able to kill someone if it's in self defense? What about killing someone to protect society, protect the nation, PROTECT THE PLANET? |
I dont think a fashist government of the planet is the best idea for the world -_-
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I dont think a fashist government of the planet is the best idea for the world -_-
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9/27/2009 12:20:23 PM
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Mods - Please post this. It's getting tiring reposting the same message.
But look at some of the things that the government spends their money on anyways. Some of it is completely pointless. Like when Harper appointed 18 new senate members in one day right before the recession. You know that once you are a senator you are one for life and get a huge pay.
I was kinda off topic there but it is a perfect example of how we wastefully spend our money anyways.
I never said I agree with the choices that Harper has made. It's just that I believe that if it becomes unprofitable to society to keep a person in jail, I believe that Captial Punishment should be a viable option.
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Mods - Please post this. It's getting tiring reposting the same message.
But look at some of the things that the government spends their money on anyways. Some of it is completely pointless. Like when Harper appointed 18 new senate members in one day right before the recession. You know that once you are a senator you are one for life and get a huge pay.
I was kinda off topic there but it is a perfect example of how we wastefully spend our money anyways.
I never said I agree with the choices that Harper has made. It's just that I believe that if it becomes unprofitable to society to keep a person in jail, I believe that Captial Punishment should be a viable option.
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